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Your Questions About Cheapest Apartments In Manhattan

May 15, 2013

William asks…

Can I get some descriptions of Moscow neighborhoods divided by their residents’ socioeconomic class?

I’d like a brief set of pointers on urban segregation in Moscow so I have some things to get started on in Google, rather than having nothing to work off of.

Basically:

-Which parts of the city richer/more well-off people live in

-Which neighborhoods house middle-class or close to that (higher or lower)

-The poor parts/slums.

Administrator answers:

I’ll try to give you a few tips. Download an English language map of Metro (subway) at http://subway.umka.org/maps/moscow.gif .Basically, people divide the city into Center, North, NW, South, etc. .. As you see it on the map.
You can read about the “worst areas” (note: “worst” areas in the Center are so because of things like noise, but they are still very expensive and upscale) at http://www.themoscowtimes.com/realestate/archive/catalog/369384?aid_block=369387
Overall, I doubt you can find any “slums” in Moscow and ghettos. During the USSR, everyone who was healthy enough was obliged to work. We didn’t have a situation where a bunch of well-shaped “ghetto people” would ask for welfare and SSI while refusing to work, smoking crack, etc. They’d be prosecuted under Communism for being parasites. SO, in Moscow, you have basically, a working class areas with less fancy housing and lower incomes, and some upper ones, where housing is more expensive and richer people live.
On the Metro map, you’ll see that there is one metro line that goes in CIRCLE – and it basically surrounds the center. The center, where Kremlin, most theaters, nightlife, etc. Are has the most expensive housing. People can complain that it is noisy, etc but it is still prestigious. Russians have a different mentality, so it is possible that while many richer New Yorkers want to live in smog-filled Midtown among skyscrappers, some richer Russians will rather move out of the city altogether and get a nice suburban house or an apartment in a quiet area out of the center. That’s how you have areas like Kurkino that is faaaar from Center, on the total outskirts, but still has some elite housing enclaves.
So you can assume that richer people who don’t mind noise and conjestion live in Center, within the Circular metro line and close by outside of it. There are also some middle class and not so rich people who got their apartments during the USSR era as part of some housing distribution program. There are also some kommunalkas (communal apartment, Communism-style, where several unrelated families/people share the same apartment on a legal basis.). So, it’s kind of like Manhattan in NY, if you remove some Upper sides like Washington Hights and Inwood).
As you move closer to the Center, pricing might increase.
North and North-West (I used to live there) is more of a middle class area with some very good neighborhoods. Tushinskaya stop, Skhodnenskaya, etc. Were working class with many middle class people.
On the outskirts like Mitino and Strogino, there are many skyscrapers built for middle and lower class who either bought apartments there or those whose old shabby houses were demolished by the government.
Same goes with KAPOTNYA (Google it) (the ecologically worst neighborhood, perhaps, as it is next to the Oil factory, so there are fumes, etc). Kapotnya is in the South-East, so you can assume that when looking for apartment, people ***would not find the South-East the most attractive.*** Kapotnya, and if you look at satellite maps some of adjacent areas, can be attributed as working class areas due to cheaper housing costs and pollution. However, if you look at stops like Cheremushki which seems to be in the South, this area is considered to be much better.
Purple line in the NW (Oktyabrskoe Pole and closer to the Center) is an attractive line when you consider buying an apartment, although it can still be middle class and some working class.)
Sokolniki stop is where a huge park is located with attractions, etc., so this area can be described as a nicer, middle class neighborhood.

Thomas asks…

Moving to New York/working in Tarrytown. Where can we live that is cheaper/safe/on the subway line?

I am moving to New York to start a job in Tarrytown (north of Manhattan). I have never been there, so is there any areas/apartments that are safe, not ridiculously expensive, and ideally on the Subway line?

Administrator answers:

There is no subway in Tarrytown. You can get a commuter train from Manhattan, but it will take you to the main Tarrytown train station, and from there you will need to provide for local transportation.

There are a number of opportunities for apartments in that area. You will find that prices are lower as you move further north. The Wappinger’s Falls/Poughkeepsie area is quite nice and probably more reasonably priced than Tarrytown – probably a 20 minutes commute by car.

Mandy asks…

Hello Guys, My husband and i are going to be moving to New Jersey and we are looking for good cities to live?

in.My husband is going to be working in Manhattan and i would be working as a nurse. Where can we find nice affordable apartments that would be at least 30 to 40 minutes away from all the chaos and most importantly good security. Also what are the job prospects for me in the nursing world. Thank you very much in advance and i would really appreciate any useful information.

Administrator answers:

You don’t give enough information. For example, what do you consider “nice” and “affordable”? As you surely are aware if you are moving here, NJ is one of the most expensive places to live in the country. $1000 a month is the cheapest rent for a one-bedroom you will find in an area that’s safe, but usually the rents are higher.

What do you mean by “all the chaos”? If you mean the city, you need to be schooled on geography a bit here. There is a mile-wide, fast-moving river called the Hudson between the island of Manhattan and northern New Jersey. A quarter million people are trying to cross it every day using one bridge, two vehicular tunnels, two rail tunnels and a few ferries. Therefore, 30 to 40 minutes from Manhattan means you live right on the Jersey side of the river, and that means you live in mostly urban areas like Jersey City or Hoboken that are either very expensive or ghetto. If that’s not what you meant by “all the chaos”, please explain. Most people consider themselves lucky if their commute to Manhattan is an hour each way. Mine is 2 hours, but that’s because I chose to live closer to the ocean. A usual commute from the suburbs is an hour and 20, or an hour and a half. Your choice might also depend upon WHERE in Manhattan your husband will be working.

You could start by looking at the NJ Transit website, pull up the schedules, see what towns are within an acceptable commute for you, and then check out Realtor.com to see if they are within your budget. You might check out Rutherford–not a bad commute, decent town, and more affordable than some of the others.

I don’t think you’ll have a hard time finding a nursing job. It seems that there are more jobs in the medical field right now than anything else.

PS–Middletown is on my train line. It is NOT a 40-minute ride. It is at least one hour to Penn Station, and if your husband works downtown in the financial district, you don’t want to go into Penn Station–you want to go to Hoboken and then take the PATH train into the city from there.

Rayotter’s got the demographics down, though. LOL on Keansburg–I looked for a place to live there, and he is right.

Sandra asks…

Where is the best area to live in Manhattan?

I was thinking Upper East Side or Midtown? I’m thinking of moving to manhattan in a couple of years but want to make sure I’d be moving to a safe area. Also with a agreat location – Shops, restaurants, bars etc. Preferably near central park, but that’s not too important. Thanks

Administrator answers:

The Upper East Side can be nice. You can get better deals on studio and 1 bedroom apartments up there, especially near 2nd Ave, because it is further from the subway. You’d also be near Central Park. If you’re closer to the park, though, prices go through the roof and you’ll find that you’ll have to pay $10,000+ per month for an apartment. The area is more for families and old money.

I’d stay away from Midtown. It is where all the tourists are and it is always busy and dirty. Most NYers avoid Midtown like the plague.

Greenwich Village is really nice. The East Village is affordable (for NYC standards) and there are TONS of great bars and places to eat. You’ll be right in the middle of the action. The East Village is full of 20 and 30 somethings. The West Village costs a good deal more, and is more upper-class, 30-50′s range kind of place, but very stylish and it has many great places to eat. NYU and Washington Square Park are located in Greenwich Village.

SoHo, is nice, if you like the whole Euro vibe, but costs a lot.

You can get great deals in the Financial District, but it is DEAD at night.

The Upper West Side is nice. A bit cheaper than many other areas, but near all the museums and the park and some great shopping.

If you’re in your 20′s – 30′s I’d say look into Greenwich Village. You’d love it.

All of the above mentioned places (or pretty much anyplace in Manhattan) are VERY safe.

Good luck!

Richard asks…

I Am moving to LA California in february 2012?

I want to know where is a good place to rent a apartment not so expensive, I am trying to stay close to the beach area.
I am moving from Miami to LA so i’m use to be close to the beach and will like to keep it that way.
Im looking fo a not that expensive but safe area.
Hope someone can help me whit that.
Thank you!

Administrator answers:

We see this every day in this forum: Everyone who wants to move here is looking for “cheap/affordable and safe”. However, such a place just doesn’t exist; the two terms are mutually exclusive. It’s all about supply and demand: If it’s in SoCal, then it’s not going to be cheap to begin with. If it’s a safe area, then it’s more expensive.

If you want to live here and enjoy the weather, then you have to pay for it. You put up with the smog and the traffic, enjoy the weather and pay your rent or mortgage. My advice is to start checking out craigslist, rent.com, and apartments.com if you are looking to rent. You’ll quickly see that the minimum rent for a non-ghetto place is about $1,000/$1,200 per month for a studio/1BR. Really nice areas (like the West LA area) easily run $3,000 or more. Want to live near the beach? Expect to pay a premium.

The answer to this really lies in the answer to the question, “Where do you work”? It’s not good at all to live in South Bay if you have a job in Pasadena. It’s stupid, in fact. The one thing that grinds people down more than anything here is the traffic. It’s the worst thing about living here. So rather than worrying about “cheap and safe”, your FIRST order of business should be getting a place close to your job. THEN you can worry about safety and price. But, to reiterate, nothing is cheap here.

One thing that many people just cannot grasp about LA is the sheer immenseness of this area. Around most cities, you have a central city area, some suburbs, and then spaces between cities. Around LA, there is a solid mass of urban, suburban, and commercial property that stretches for about 100 miles in every direction. From the air, you cannot tell where one city ends and another begins. Because of this urban sprawl, there is no line of demarcation where the housing prices drop steeply. 30 years ago, that line was around Corona, southern Orange County, and Simi Valley. Now it’s past Riverside, Palmdale, and western Santa Barbara county.

“LA” is such a big place, there are so many neighborhoods/cities where you can live. Of course, even within a city or neighborhood, there are safer sections and less-safe sections.
In Los Angeles, some nice sections are West LA, Brentwood, Westwood, Marina Del Rey, Playa Del Rey, Los Feliz, Silverlake, and Eagle Rock. Palms and Mar Vista are pretty good, too. In the Valley(part of LA), you have Encino, Tarzana, Studio City, Toluca Lake, Granada Hills, Woodland Hills, Sherman Oaks, West Hills, and Chatsworth. Glendale and Burbank are good places, and are incorporated cities of their own.

To the east: South Pasadena, parts of Pasadena, Altadena, Arcadia, Monrovia, Glendora, San Dimas, Laverne, Azusa, Rancho Cucamonga.

Along the beach: Santa Monica, Marina Del Rey, Playa Del Rey, Redondo Beach, Manhattan Beach, Hermosa Beach, Torrance, Palos Verdes, Rancho PV.

In Orange County aka “The OC”: Seal Beach , Huntington Beach , Newport Beach , Corona Del Mar , Laguna Beach , Dana Point , Capistrano Beach , San Clemente , Brea, Yorba Linda, Orange, Tustin, Irvine, Laguna Hills, Rancho Santa Margarita, Lake Forest

To the west: Agoura, Calabasas, Thousand Oaks, Westlake Village, Simi Valley, Moorpark.

This is not an all-inclusive list, but it’s a start. If you want to see the safety and price factors, go to www.lalife.com. Also, the LA Times did a nice job of outlining all 277 neighborhoods in LA County: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/. Time to get researching!

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